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Old 05-19-2011, 01:45 PM   #1
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Does someone have a Legend definition file for tuner-pro.
I have tried to brake down the Legend bin data by myself, but it's hard to have it work correctly. I mean I can read the hex data, but the definition file is needed to be able to understand what it means.
Like I have told SR5GUY I can have a danish chip tuner do it, but it will be so expensive I will be bankrupt, so if anyone could help me for free it would really be nice.
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Old 05-19-2011, 02:16 PM   #2
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There is A definition file that's floating around out there, but it's just a modified NSX defintion and not all that useful. If you want more than that, you'll have to get really friendly with those who have something better...
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Old 05-19-2011, 02:22 PM   #3
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Yes I found that def file (legend&NSX), but it's way off.
I am always friendly, but experience has tought me to be different in my way of saying things with you american guys. I have been in many fights here and mostly because my ways of explaining myself was misunderstood. I could only hope someone would help me, but a guy like SR5GUY/Matt has a business and I can somehow understand why he won't give away his def file. He is the only one I really trust when it comes to knowledge about the Legend ECU, since his work is out of this world. Impressive is another word for it.

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Oh it was way off because the checksum was set at 202, so I changed it to 128 and it seemed to work, but the def doesn't cover anything else than ignition, fuel maps and then some defs for Vtec and that's not for the Legend, so they are empty.

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Old 10-15-2011, 04:18 AM   #4
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I have learned how to calculate the checksum now (It's nothing to do with 128 or 202) and have made a chip for myself which works perfectly. The only issue is that I can only edit ignition maps and fuel maps, nothing else and that's why I was asking for a definition file for the Legend with some of the other tables.

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I have learned how to calculate the checksum now and have made a chip for myself which works perfectly. The only issue is that I can only edit ignition maps and fuel maps, nothing else and that's why I was asking for a definition file for the Legend with some of the other tables.
Why aren't you running a existing chip?
Or are you just doing it for fun..?
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I'm not running an existing chip, because they all have the EGR function active, and I have the EGR blocked because I don't want the harmful effect the EGR can have on the engine. That's why.
I have made my own chip and I'm using it with great performance results, but it only have edited ignition maps and leveled the EGR ignition and fuel maps. I have done so to make the car take advantage of the 99 octane fuel I'm using in my Legend and to take advantage of the blocked EGR without having the EGR ignition and fuel maps active. So now I just have the advanced ignition maps to meet the potential of the 99 octane fuel, while deleting the EGR. I have increased power and a better gas milage with my new chip.
I just need the definition file with more tables so I can experiment with other maps than just ignition and fuel. The rev limiter I don't even wanna mess with, even though I can.
Thanks to Matt for helping me out with starting doing my own chip. I bought his stage 2 chip and started from there.

My last dyno test of my completely stock USDM imported 1994 Legend LS Coupe, type2, 6-spd manual trans.:
This is before my chip was installed, so this is my bone stock Legend, no mods at all. Just all genuine fluids, 5-50 premium oil and all parts changed new OEM (spark plugs, etc.).
Dyno test was done with big powerful air blowers(fans whatever we could call them) in front of my car, my mechanic always use to simulate the effect of driving.
Results are ofcourse at the wheels.
193.64 whp DIN (191whp SAE whp quickly converted)
242.40 NM of torque (178.89.07 ft-lbs quickly converted)

My goal is to reach the 200whp DIN with my new chip and without other performance mods.

The definition file I'm looking for is for TunerPro.

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I'm not running an existing chip, because they all have the EGR function active, and I have the EGR blocked because I don't want the harmful effect the EGR can have on the engine. That's why.
I have made my own chip and I'm using it with great performance results, but it only have edited ignition maps and leveled the EGR ignition and fuel maps. I have done so to make the car take advantage of the 99 octane fuel I'm using in my Legend and to take advantage of the blocked EGR without having the EGR ignition and fuel maps active. So now I just have the advanced ignition maps to meet the potential of the 99 octane fuel, while deleting the EGR. I have increased power and a better gas milage with my new chip.
I just need the definition file with more tables so I can experiment with other maps than just ignition and fuel. The rev limiter I don't even wanna mess with even though I can.
Thanks to Matt for helping me out with starting doing my own chip. I bought his stage 2 chip and started from there.

My last dyno test of my completely stock USDM imported 1994 Legend LS Coupe, type2, 6-spd manual trans.:
This is before my chip was installed, so this is my bone stock Legend, no mods at all. Just all genuine fluids, 5-50 premium oil and all parts changed new OEM (spark plugs, etc.).
Dyno test was done with big powerful air blowers(fans whatever we could call them) in front of my car, my mechanic always use to simulate the effect of driving.
Results are ofcourse at the wheels.
193.64 whp DIN (191whp SAE whp quickly converted)
242.40 NM of torque (178.89.07 ft-lbs quickly converted)

My goal is to reach the 200whp DIN with my new chip and without other performance mods.

The definition file I'm looking for is for TunerPro.
Very nice! are you running at sea level?
what dyno are you running on?

at the moment your mechanical 100% OEM right?
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Like in holland/the netherlands I'm at low altitude, since I'm in Denmark.
I didn't get a print of it and I didn't ask what kind of dyno he has, but I will ask him what type he is using. He did the dyno run because I wanted to know how much Whp my car could produce to see if my car had lost some performance due to age and wear. He was actually surprised to see the Legend produce that much. So to his calculations the drivetrain loss is about 17-18%, which is actually more than I had expected. I thought it would be 16% drivetrain loss.
I'm aware that because of low altitude and medium to cold temp, the air density is higher and the hp produced is higher +the custom cold air blowers in front of the car, would make the result even better.
That's also why I think it's not impossible for me to get close to 200whp with my new chip and without mechanical mods.
My car is 100% mechanical OEM yes.

I will have it tested again soon to see how much my new chip produces.

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Like in holland/the netherlands I'm at low altitude, since I'm in Denmark.
I didn't get a print of it and I didn't ask what kind of dyno he has, but I will ask him what type he is using. He did the dyno run because I wanted to know how much Whp my car could produce to see if my car had lost some performance due to age and wear. He was actually surprised to see the Legend produce that much. So to his calculations the drivetrain loss is about 17-18%, which is actually more than I had expected. I thought it would be 16% drivetrain loss.
I'm aware that because of low altitude and medium to cold temp, the air density is higher and the hp produced is higher +the custom cold air blowers in front of the car, would make the result even better.
That's also why I think it's not impossible for me to get close to 200whp with my new chip and without mechanical mods.
My car is 100% mechanical OEM yes.

I will have it tested again soon to see how much my new chip produces.
Dyno's do differ in there read outs quite a bit.
General rule of thumb for a 2wd car is 15% awd 25-33%
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Yes I know.
FWD manual trans, use to be between 15-18% loss.
Remember we have our engine longitutionaly mounted.
RWD manual trans, use to be between 19-25% loss.
That's only for manual trans versions, if they have auto trans the loss will be bigger.
AWD I don't know the numbers there.


So I guess the legend's drivetrain loss is in the bigger end.

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