3.5/Type II Hybrid into a 99 RL

[91ls 3.5]

Originally Posted by MondiVTEC

ill put my plain jane 3.5 TI auto against any KA9

Put 'er up against The Lady Bug

[brothermatt]

Thanks for chiming in, folks. I'm waiting to hear from State Farm as to whether my coupe will be totalled. If I get that call, I'll most likely go for a KA9.

The Gen2 TL Type-S looks good and is pretty quick but I have no time or money for any out-of-warranty (~$4,000) transmission replacements. The RL is my next choice but I have a feeling that after test driving one, I'm going to be disappointed with the way it pulls. I don't need a hotrod but I have a feeling that pick up in the RL is probably comparable to my old 185 HP/195 TQ Camry.
If that's the case, I can deal with it but I was hoping there was some workaround.

[94LegendaryAcuraGS]

Now don't get me wrong the RL has good low end torque and was one of Acura's selling points when they introduced the model. It should be sufficient for you as long as 1) you don't need a hotrod and 2) you keep it in a straight line. If I didn't have a 2nd gear issue I'd put my GS with its 275K+ 3.2 against a RL RIGHT NOW. I'd say it may take me out of the hole initially but by the time I hit fire cracker rpms (4000 and above) I'll walk it down and show it my tail lights the rest of the trip. Don't even let there be curves as that luxury boat body rolls pretty hard with all that extra weight. Once my little project is done ALL KA9s better keep quiet or I'll spank them good and make them go cry over in the corner! Jen we don't even need to put you against an RL to end this "discussion" as a KA9 has NO CHANCE against a 3.5 KA7 Legend!

[Chrispy]

A 6mt 3.5 KA7 that didnt even put down 200 whp on a dyno with heavy ass wheels against a KA9? I'll put my money on the KA9.

You guys failed to consider the gearing of the RL and have also under estimated the updates to the ecu. Remember the RL is obd2, so it's power is much more efficient when compared to a G2. Even considering the hp to weight ratio, it's still a horse a piece. I'd say a type I legend has zero chance of beating an RL, a type II would be about even, and a properly running and tuned straight 3.5 swap or hybrid 3.5 should easily take an RL.

[(=^.^=)]

LOL

Anyways, like I said, it would be nice if SR5GUY would give his opinion on this because HE knows what it would take to make it possible as we had discussed last year.

[Chrispy]

It's been discussed before, within the last year. You NEED to retain the OBD2 sensors so a 3.5 hybrid that was in a KA7/8 will not work, also cams = ecu, so type II cams are out of the question. What would be the point of a piggybacked ecu to gain maybe 5 extra hp and 5 ft lbs of torque? IMO the OP would be better off selling his hybrid 3.5 and rolling the stock 3.5 that comes with his soon to be KA9. The effort and money doesn't justify the results. No need to go through the time and effort to pull 2 motors and swap 1. If someone has the money to waste, then by all means go for it.

[MondiVTEC]

Originally Posted by Chrispy

A 6mt 3.5 KA7 that didnt even put down 200 whp on a dyno with heavy ass wheels against a KA9? I'll put my money on the KA9.

You guys failed to consider the gearing of the RL and have also under estimated the updates to the ecu. Remember the RL is obd2, so it's power is much more efficient when compared to a G2. Even considering the hp to weight ratio, it's still a horse a piece. I'd say a type I legend has zero chance of beating an RL, a type II would be about even, and a properly running and tuned straight 3.5 swap or hybrid 3.5 should easily take an RL.

LOL you must be running low on sleep when you said this ^

Ive driven an RL and its a boat not a beast. The tranny is soft and the rpms are low. My GS used to scream up to 7200 and would have eaten any KA9 for breakfast, lunch, or dinner. A type I with an intake and sr5guy chip would dominate as well. Stock vs stock would be close but my money is on the lighter chassis

Originally Posted by Chrispy

It's been discussed before, within the last year. You NEED to retain the OBD2 sensors so a 3.5 hybrid that was in a KA7/8 will not work, also cams = ecu, so type II cams are out of the question. What would be the point of a piggybacked ecu to gain maybe 5 extra hp and 5 ft lbs of torque? IMO the OP would be better off selling his hybrid 3.5 and rolling the stock 3.5 that comes with his soon to be KA9. The effort and money doesn't justify the results. No need to go through the time and effort to pull 2 motors and swap 1. If someone has the money to waste, then by all means go for it.

thats what i think too

[Chrispy]

You might be right Mondi, because the T1 does make a decent amount of low end torque, actually it makes more torque than a T2. I'd kinda like to get a KA9 on the strip with a variety of Legends, just to see where they stack up. Anyone have some literature with 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for a stock RL, T1 and T2 Legend?

[(=^.^=)]

Acura Legend 0-60

[Chrispy]

http://www.zeroto60times.com/Acura-0-60-mph-Times.html

Not sure how official that is, but they seem to be fairly even by what that site is saying.